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Newbie Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Posts: 6 Location: USA

Alright,

Heres my sitaution. I just bought Zmud and I am not able to see any kind of history in my game. Not Command history, buffer history, world history, whatever it is- I have no idea how to *fix* this to where it shows me anything past 1 page. Anytime I try to scroll up, it will not work, it ACTS like its going to scroll up - but will not. I have been trying to fix this problem for a few hours now, and it is vital for me to get access because I am trying to code a few projects for the MUD I play so I may enter its administration. [B)] So it's like this, how do i get my history to stay and not disapear after every page?

-Osaerion

Magician Joined: 10 Oct 2000 Posts: 356 Location: USA

Have you tried View, Preferences, General, Command Line and change the History size there? And View Preferences, Memory?

This seems obvious, but you didn't mention if you had already tried this.

Newbie Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Posts: 6 Location: USA

Let me be more specific here,

You know that little Negative sign (-)at the bottom of your scroll back, everytime I try to click on the up arrow, the negative box goes inwards. I have my history size set at 500, that and my bellsize (whatever that is. I have no idea how to fix this, and its become more of an inconveniance on my part. All I want to know is how to make it to where I can actually SEE my history and it wont erase it, or have the little negative sign point inward. As for your question, i've tried that already, I need a solution.

-Osaerion

Magician Joined: 10 Oct 2000 Posts: 356 Location: USA

Really, you need a solution? wow, didn't guess that. It may seem my suggestion was obvious, but you didn't mention any trouble shooting steps you took on your own. all you stated was: I have been trying to fix this problem for a few hours.

I don't know where you've started with your trouble shooting. If you took any actual steps. You don't mention what version you are using (could it be 6.66 and you've discovered a known or unknown bug). So if my suggestion at first seemed obvious or ludicrous, my humble apolgizes to you. I'm only working with what was given for information.

Which history size is set at 500. The one for Command Line or the one for Memory? if you are referring to the "History Size" under the command line options, it's probably not what you need.

taken right out of the help file:
History Size (global)

Controls how many previous commands are saved in the command history. Default is 20.

Have you changed the Memory settings? These control the scroll back buffer.

Newbie Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Posts: 6 Location: USA

Where can I find the History size (global) at? How do I get to it? I have my all memory buffer set all the way up, 65000 - I *thought* that would help, but it has nothing to do with it i'm guessing. Oh yeah, and i'm using version 6.26 - under the COMMAND LINE I see all of the above checked (x)

1,auto clear
2,wordwrap
3,multiline paste

ect.

I have History and Bell Collum set at 500 - (thinking that well duh, it would help save my history to "500") and I mean, that would *make sense*. i've never had this many problems using a program to play on my mud so I wouldnt know. All I know is it has the tools that I require to create the rooms, but I can not create rooms correctly if I do not have my history there for me to look at, not just 1 pages worth and then nothing at all after that.

-Osaerion

Magician Joined: 10 Oct 2000 Posts: 356 Location: USA

The global denotes it's a global setting for all the windows.

These are just for the command line history. ie: how many commands to keep in the history

Bell Column

Determines what column number causes a beep when you are typing. Useful for preventing you from typing more characters than your MUD will accept. Default is 0 (off)

in any of the preference screen, just press the Help button and it will tell you what each setting does.

Your scroll back memory seems a bit overkill, but with that setting you shouldn't run out of space to keep alot of scroll back. I don't have a fix just yet, trying to break mine.

btw: version 6.26 or version 6.62? 6.62 is the latest pulic release, if you really are at 6.26, grab the latest.

** Back to trying to break mine.

Newbie Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Posts: 6 Location: USA

Alright here's the thing,

I just did what you told me, set it back to 0 - and it still isn't working, and i'm not going to pay another 30 bucks just to upgrade my version. I upgraded it last time, and it was doing the *same thing then as it is now* - I have NO HISTORY in my history buffer. This should be a relatively easy problem to fix, but judging from everything i've heard yet, it isn't. So all i'm really asking here is why isn't it working? Have I wasted 30 dollars for nothing? I could have upgraded mushclient and got better quality, but I would have had a decent editor or all the tools like this, but at LEAST I would have my buffer. But i'm not here to complain about this situation, i'm here to solve and fix what is going on. At first, I thought it might have been history, and something user friendly like that but no. I GET NO HISTORY. So, i'll ask again is there anything that I can do to *fix* this problem, or do I have to live with it?

-Osaerion

GURU Joined: 26 Jul 2001 Posts: 1958 Location: Canada

From the top of the screen:

Customer driven Internet Software
Upgrades are always FREE, FOREVER!

Upgrade to the lastest public version, maybe what you have is a bug in a very old beta version.

http://www.zuggsoft.com/redirect.asp?target=zmud

I have a scroll back history of 20000 lines and no issues with that version ie:

view->preferences->memory

[ 20000] Max lines in main window

Newbie Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Posts: 6 Location: USA

My version is 6.62, which is the latest version of the client to my understanding. And I understand your one of the hosts here, am I correct? I'm having a problem with the client, and it's pretty extreme when you dont have any history in your buffer and it fails to save only but 1 page. I gotta thank Toetag for at least making some suggestions, at least he tried to help.

-Osaerion

Newbie Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Posts: 6 Location: USA

Oh yeah and Ton, I tried that and it still didnt work.

GURU Joined: 26 Jul 2001 Posts: 1958 Location: Canada

What mud are you working with. Could the buffer be picking up some odd ascii characters or ansi commands that clear it or something?

Based on all the advice given and taken, something appears to be out of the ordinary, if we understand your problem exactly.

You are looking for more scroll back buffer as it only remembers '1 page'.
You are not looking for commands you entered history.

Enchanter Joined: 10 Oct 2000 Posts: 656 Location: USA

could you be running into memory issues on your computer. Perhaps setting the command buffer back to the default of 20, then the scrollbase buffer to something like 2000, just too see if this help.

As to why it does not work, I'm not exactly sure but I'll say I've been using zmud for years and never had this problem. I'm able to see my scrollback just fine. It appears that something is different about your settings or how your using it that is causing the problem.

As to paying $80, I'm not sure why you did that when Zugg never charges for upgrades. You only have to pay once and then upgrades are always free for the rest of your life. Just make sure you keep your registration number written down somewhere.

Can you spend 15 minutes and give us all more details about your specific enviroment. This would help us in helping you resolve the issue.

Things you need to tell us:

Your computers speed and memory?

Are you running other applications at the same time that may be using up some of your computers memory?

What mud are you doing this on, perhaps post a screen of text from your mud that we can use to test with here.

Can you try doing some test for us to track this down.
1. Reboot your pc.
2. Shut down all other applications.
3. Start zmud - do not load your character
4. Press the ESC key to load a blank character setting
5. on the command line type. #80 #sh This is a test.
6. Tell me if scrolling works in this instance. If it does,
then its possible the problem is in your specific character's settings. Let us know the answer here, then we can continue to work through the problem.

Apprentice Joined: 28 Sep 2001 Posts: 103 Location: USA

I don't know if this is you problem or not, but it sounds as though your split bar is all the way at the top. If you press the "-" do you see a small bar pop up along the top of the Output window. If you do, move the mouse pointer to the top of the Output window. I should turn into the movement arrow type cursor. You should be able to move it down a bit from there.

When zMud Scolls it doesn't scroll the whole window. I only scolls the part above the bar and leaves the part below like it was (this is so you can scoll and watch what happens on the MUD at the same time).

Enchanter Joined: 10 Oct 2000 Posts: 698

This could be a case of the scroll divider being set at the top or bottom of the output window. This was a problem in one of the old betas, but I've not seen anything posted about it for quite awhile. I also never had this problem, nor encountered what you're describing. If you move your cursor to the top or bottom of the window, does the cursor change, allowing you to drag the divider so that the history shows?

We're all trying to help, but I'm afraid that given what you've posted so far, I'm still not 100% clear on what is or is not happening. Perhaps a screenshot of your zmud window normally and another one after hitting <Page Up> would help us see what is going on, IF it's the mud output window's history that you're not able to view.

Edit: Heh! I guess I was late with this suggestion. Oh well, screenshots are still a possibility I guess, if the original poster can u/l to a server and give a link.